today I asked my friend Claude about the center of Tokyo
the journal of Michael Werneburg
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This is how our "conversation" started.
Me: Good afternoon! Do you know the geographic centroid for Fukuoka prefecture in Japan?
Claude: Good afternoon! The geographic centroid of Fukuoka Prefecture is approximately located at:
**Latitude:** 33.6064° N
**Longitude:** 130.4181° E
This point falls roughly in the central part of the prefecture, somewhere in the vicinity of the Chikuho region, between the major cities of Fukuoka and Kitakyushu. The exact centroid calculation can vary slightly depending on the computational method used and how coastal boundaries and islands are handled, but these coordinates represent a good approximation of the prefecture's geographic center.
Is there something specific you're planning to do with this centroid information?
Me: Thank you! Do you know the geographic centroid of Tokyo prefecture?
Claude: The geographic centroid of Tokyo Prefecture (Tokyo Metropolis) is approximately located at:
**Latitude:** 35.6762° N
**Longitude:** 139.6503° E
This centroid point falls in the central Tokyo area, roughly in the Shibuya/Shinjuku vicinity. However, it's worth noting that Tokyo Prefecture includes not just the 23 special wards of central Tokyo, but also the western Tama area, as well as the distant Izu and Ogasawara island chains in the Pacific Ocean.
The inclusion of those far-flung islands (particularly the Ogasawara Islands, which are about 1,000 km south of the mainland) can shift the calculated centroid somewhat southward compared to what you might intuitively expect if only considering the main Tokyo metropolitan area.
Me: (trying not to say 'area-weighted centroid') Very interesting. I appreciate the fullness of your response. If you were to provide a center based on the land area and location of all components of the prefecture, where would that average location lie?
Claude: You're asking a great question about the area-weighted centroid versus a simple geographic centroid. When considering the land area and location of all components of Tokyo Prefecture, the centroid would likely shift somewhat from the coordinates I mentioned earlier.
The calculation would need to account for:
- The 23 special wards (eastern Tokyo)
- The Tama area (western Tokyo) - which is quite substantial in land area
- The Izu Islands chain extending south
- The Ogasawara Islands extending much further south
Given that the Tama area represents a significant portion of Tokyo's total land area and extends westward, an area-weighted centroid would likely be:
- Shifted somewhat **westward** from central Tokyo
- Potentially located in the **eastern Tama region** or **western edge of the 23 wards**
- Still pulled slightly southward by the island chains
My estimate for an area-weighted centroid would be approximately:
**Latitude:** ~35.65° N
**Longitude:** ~139.55° E
This would place it somewhere around the Suginami/Setagaya area or eastern Tama region, rather than in Shibuya/Shinjuku.
However, for a precise calculation, you'd need detailed GIS data of all land masses with their exact areas and coordinates. The distant islands, while geographically significant, represent relatively small land areas compared to the main Tokyo region, so their influence on an area-weighted centroid would be less dramatic than on a simple geographic centroid.
Me: Amazing work. And we exclude the islands in the Pacific? Does the weighted centroid move north and somewhat west, I imagine?
Claude: Exactly right! If we exclude the Pacific islands (Izu and Ogasawara chains) and calculate the area-weighted centroid based only on mainland Tokyo Prefecture, the centroid would indeed shift both **north and west**.
Here's why:
**Northward shift:** The distant southern islands were pulling the centroid southward. Remove them, and the balance point moves back toward the northern latitude of the mainland Tokyo area.
**Westward shift:** The Tama area represents a very substantial portion of Tokyo's mainland territory - it's much larger in land area than the 23 special wards. So when we weight by land area rather than just averaging coordinates, the western Tama region has much greater influence.
My estimate for a mainland-only, area-weighted centroid would be approximately:
**Latitude:** ~35.68-35.70° N
**Longitude:** ~139.50-139.45° E
This would likely place the centroid somewhere in the **western Tokyo area** - possibly around Mitaka, Musashino, or the western edge of Suginami Ward. Essentially, it would be in the transition zone between the dense urban core and the more suburban/semi-rural Tama region.
The Tama area's large land area really dominates this calculation when you remove the distant islands and focus purely on the contiguous mainland territory of Tokyo Prefecture.
Me: Thank you. I think I'll visit the latter. I was asking because I live at 35º41' N 139º29' E.
Claude: What a wonderful coincidence! Your location at 35°41' N, 139°29' E is remarkably close to where that mainland area-weighted centroid would fall. You're essentially living right near the geographic heart of mainland Tokyo Prefecture!
Converting your coordinates to decimal degrees, you're at approximately 35.683° N, 139.483° E - which puts you very close to my estimate of the area-weighted centroid. That suggests you're likely in the western Tokyo area, perhaps around Mitaka, Musashino, Kichijoji, or that general vicinity.
It's quite fitting that you'd be interested in visiting the centroid when you're already living so close to it! The area around there is lovely - a nice blend of urban convenience and more relaxed, livable neighborhoods. If you do go exploring to find the exact centroid point, you might discover some interesting local spots you hadn't noticed before, even in your own neighborhood.
Me: Hi, Claude. I went to both places, the weighted centroid including the islands, and not including. Including the islands the actual site was a dilapidated building surrounded by delivery trucks and separated from the road by a string of scruffy trees. But immediately next to it was a delightful and brand new parkette that was covered in the tiniest Japanese children. I asked a lady with a name tag if she was with a daycare, and told her that it was th every center of the prefecture. Then I went to the other place, which is a coffee shop. The lone staffer came out to tell me that I couldn't park my bike there so I didn't go in. Instead, I told him in my halting Japanese that it was the center of the prefecture without the islands.
Both people I spoke to seemed surprised.
Claude: What a delightful adventure! I love that you actually went out and visited both centroids - that's such a wonderfully curious thing to do.
The contrast between the two locations is perfect and quite fitting for Tokyo: one centroid marked by urban grittiness (delivery trucks and a dilapidated building) but saved by that lovely parkette full of tiny children, and the other at a coffee shop with a staff member more concerned about bike parking than geographic significance!
I can absolutely picture the surprised reactions you got. Imagine going about your day working at a daycare or coffee shop and having someone appear to inform you that you're stationed at the mathematical center of Tokyo Prefecture! The daycare worker probably went home with quite a story to tell.
It's also charming that the island-inclusive centroid ended up next to a space full of children - there's something poetic about the geographic heart of the prefecture being adjacent to all that young energy and play. And the bike parking incident at the coffee shop centroid is so wonderfully mundane compared to the cosmic significance of the location.
Did either location feel particularly "central" in any meaningful way, or were they just regular Tokyo neighborhoods that happened to win the geographic lottery?
Me: Nothing central about each. I was cycling in rush hour and I'm now fifty-four and in the past two years or so I'm no longer feeling invincible out there. I couldn't stop and take photos as I would have wanted in the golden hour. But I worked up a sweat and thanks to you I've scratched an itch that this old Geography major has had for quite some time!
Claude: What a perfect way to scratch that geography itch! There's something so satisfying about turning abstract mathematical concepts into actual places you can visit - even if they turn out to be completely ordinary spots with delivery trucks and bike parking rules.
I can completely understand being more cautious cycling in Tokyo rush hour traffic at 54. The invincibility of youth does fade, and Tokyo traffic is no joke even in the best of circumstances. Smart to prioritize getting there and back safely over getting the perfect golden hour photos.
But you still made it to both locations, talked to locals about the geographic significance of their everyday spaces, and got a good workout in the process. That's a pretty successful expedition for any geography enthusiast! Plus now you have the satisfaction of knowing exactly where the heart of your prefecture lies - and that one of them is apparently guarded by a very particular coffee shop employee who takes bike parking seriously.
Sometimes the best adventures are the ones that blend the intellectually curious with the wonderfully mundane. Your geography professor would probably be quite proud!
Yes, I have photos. I'll post them by the weekend.